tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post6706836588986332812..comments2024-03-14T09:50:44.315+00:00Comments on Psychological comments: Social mobilityAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-76669393398065088652013-11-21T23:27:34.473+00:002013-11-21T23:27:34.473+00:00Dear Peter, Thanks for this excellent material, wh...Dear Peter, Thanks for this excellent material, which is very useful. Odds ratios are tricky things, aren't they? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-34433257817174532782013-11-21T21:52:28.488+00:002013-11-21T21:52:28.488+00:00Two points:
(1) "Phillip Collins argues...A c...Two points:<br />(1) "Phillip Collins argues...A child who is born middle class is 15 times more likely to end up middle class than a child who is born into the working class." Complete nonsense! Collins is mixing up odds ratios and disparity ratios. The actual advantage of the middle class child is somewhere around 3:1 or 4:1. Collins doesn't understand the statistics he is citing. <br />(2) It's a pity psychologists don't read beyond their discipline. Have a look at http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/socialmobilitydelusions2012.pdf which covers a lot of the same ground.Peter Saundershttp://www.petersaunders.org.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-57283533414538600072013-09-25T21:57:31.739+01:002013-09-25T21:57:31.739+01:00Rawlsians play word games with terms like "ar...Rawlsians play word games with terms like "arbitrary" and "contingent".Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-22200702672558528202013-09-25T13:56:03.293+01:002013-09-25T13:56:03.293+01:00"you cannot have social mobility without one ..."you cannot have social mobility without one person’s rise being matched by another person’s fall": hush, don't tell everyone. I used to score easy runs in common room debates when I was a fresher, just pointing out that logical necessity - sometimes by enquiring "Is it your sister whom you want to move down in society to make room for others to move up?" That used to stop 'em in their tracks. I'm all for social mobility for the reasons you point to, but I'm against not appreciating all the consequences.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-42080479543719490582013-09-25T10:20:25.179+01:002013-09-25T10:20:25.179+01:00If Rawls argues that "morally arbitrary facto...If Rawls argues that "morally arbitrary factors (for example, the family one is born into) shouldn't determine one's life chances or opportunities" then I do not agree with him. I do not wish to put my child up for adoption. The family any child of mine is born into is not an arbitrary factor. It relates to my choices, and the choice to have a child is an important one, as is the choice of marital partner. I doubt those choices will ever "determine" anything in my child's life, but it is absolutely right, in my view, that my actions as a parent should influence my child's opportunities. Otherwise, I will be penalized for having saved money, spent money on education, and on books. I find it difficult to follow these enumerations of general principles, because they beg too many questions. Why waste time on them?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-17457722355633214462013-09-25T09:11:54.336+01:002013-09-25T09:11:54.336+01:00Was my last sentence gobbledygooK?
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