tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post8579149243436757079..comments2024-03-14T09:50:44.315+00:00Comments on Psychological comments: Schizophrenia and Violence: Delusional numbers?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-80224415657371115002013-03-29T00:11:11.714+00:002013-03-29T00:11:11.714+00:00Then that's my point made for me: a mere convi...Then that's my point made for me: a mere conviction for a crime of violence makes no distinction between a drunken brawl and a decapitation by a madman - it's too crude a tool for the use it's being put to. In other words performing an act of violence may be five-fold higher, but it tells us nothing about how violent the acts are.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-89910383775583397002013-03-28T17:39:28.458+00:002013-03-28T17:39:28.458+00:00No, the usual metric is convictions for crimes of ...No, the usual metric is convictions for crimes of violence, compared against convictions for the same crimes on the part of the general public.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-85418526645738875702013-03-27T22:44:22.770+00:002013-03-27T22:44:22.770+00:00"all this depends on definition of violence, ..."all this depends on definition of violence, but these are rates where the definition is the same within the study": fair enough, but are the acts of violence that are recorded comparable? For example suppose someone said that he'd record an act of violence only if it drew blood. That means that a couple of drunken punches may join the same category as a decapitation. deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-36484348408432359032013-03-27T22:17:26.921+00:002013-03-27T22:17:26.921+00:00Men more violent than women about 11 times (from m...Men more violent than women about 11 times (from memory).<br />Black men more violent than white men about 7 times (US data).<br />Younger than 30 year men 4 times more violent than the older than 45 year old men.<br />Yes, all this depends on definition of violence, but these are rates where the definition is the same within the study. Self violence not included here. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-90818189262378505742013-03-27T18:13:28.026+00:002013-03-27T18:13:28.026+00:00Another "natural comparator" thought: me...Another "natural comparator" thought: men 15-30 versus men 50-65?deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-14347041175800787442013-03-27T18:11:02.855+00:002013-03-27T18:11:02.855+00:00A second question: "violence" might be r...A second question: "violence" might be rather a widely-defined category. Is the ratio still five-fold if the violence is homicidal? If violence to self is excluded?deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-57162127020924321362013-03-27T15:16:36.394+00:002013-03-27T15:16:36.394+00:00I have twice had to deal with a young man becoming...I have twice had to deal with a young man becoming schizophrenic - that's "deal with" as a university tutor, not as a medical man. Although neither seemed (at least at the stage that involved me) to carry any threat of violence, it was nonetheless a most unsettling and painful business to witness. "There but for the grace of God ..." you think, and "Dear God, there's nothing useful I can do for the poor sod".<br /><br />The bewildered, horrified reaction of the parents to the sudden decline of their golden boys was awful to behold.<br /><br />A question in two parts, if I may: I'm struck by your five-fold conclusion for males. I take it that the ratio of the risk of violence from the two sexes is, for sane people, greater than five-fold? Is the ratio also greater than five-fold in any racial comparisons - I have in mind particularly blacks and whites in the USA? In other words, I'm wondering whether there are any natural comparators for the five-fold result.<br /><br />deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-67228364228202383662013-03-27T10:11:56.902+00:002013-03-27T10:11:56.902+00:00It has drifted towards the second, worse luck.It has drifted towards the second, worse luck.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-46615073745557587142013-03-26T22:17:57.904+00:002013-03-26T22:17:57.904+00:00"To prevent unnecessary stigmatization of the..."To prevent unnecessary stigmatization of the seriously mentally ill, with all the attendant difficulties, it is the duty of researchers to present a balanced picture."<br /><br />That was either a silly truism or a call to abandon science and indulge in propaganda. I'm guessing it was the second.deariemenoreply@blogger.com