tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post8969578571570572791..comments2024-03-14T09:50:44.315+00:00Comments on Psychological comments: Another half brick of creativityAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-52847548338252592612015-01-05T00:50:56.253+00:002015-01-05T00:50:56.253+00:00Education ought to be more than teaching habits, b...Education ought to be more than teaching habits, but certainly should include inculcating good habits. Teaching principles is closer to the mark. In some ways the "teaching habits" movement invokes magical thinking, because it confuses the outer form with the inner drive. It is a bit like the countless "invest like Warren Buffet" books, which neglect to point out that he has a very sharp brain, and concentrates on investment to the exclusion of almost everything else. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-79319043221708820432015-01-04T14:30:23.247+00:002015-01-04T14:30:23.247+00:00Sorry, chaps, I don't think that "educati...Sorry, chaps, I don't think that "education" can be equated to my "teach[ing] rather unintelligent people the habits of more intelligent people". I suppose teaching the 3Rs might be. Thereafter, although education might give you examples of things that interest intelligent people, I'm not convinced that that's the same thing as teaching their habits. And, alas, many unintelligent people clearly find the interests of intelligent people deeply boring.<br />On the other hand, I suppose that trying to indoctrinate the dim with the habits of the bright might be doomed to failure anyway, especially at the hands of schoolteachers - who, after all, are already busy trying to indoctrinate their charges with all the PC secular religions of the age.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-38148460780633610212015-01-04T00:11:19.149+00:002015-01-04T00:11:19.149+00:00Trivial creativity tests are EXACTLY same what tri...Trivial creativity tests are EXACTLY same what trivial intelligence tests are too. Non-dynamic inteliigence.<br /><br />Novel ideas density is not WRONG way to measure creativity but is INCOMPLETE.<br /><br />To factory iorkut problem: <br /><br />1-Intensive agriculture model in factory with different ''cultures''<br />2- G factor of flavors to sell the same product but that is absolutely perfect because all people like.<br />3-Hiring traditional British confectioners<br />4- Cornetto cake.<br />5- Hiring chinese workers, ;)<br />6-Invent a character like Mario bros or Tortughitta.<br /><br /><br />To Feynman problem<br /><br />1- never mentioned the latitude<br /><br /><br />I think most highly creative people are TWICE EXCEPCIONAL, a kind of giftedness category where higher intelligence is combined with some 'mental complexity', like ''personalities RE-order.<br />Many them have assymetric cognitive quantitative profile, with very higher capacity in narrow capacities combined with pseudo-deficits in others. They are high functioning savant. <br /><br />SantocultoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-85926833218101300692015-01-03T21:10:41.797+00:002015-01-03T21:10:41.797+00:00Mark, I take all your points. I'm told that Ei...Mark, I take all your points. I'm told that Einstein started with another thought experiment: if I was falling for a very long time, what would I think of gravity? He had to do something in his imagination in order to come up with his insights. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-43380051947926648702015-01-03T05:30:21.578+00:002015-01-03T05:30:21.578+00:00"imagining you are travelling at the speed of..."imagining you are travelling at the speed of light will produce little of interest unless you are Einstein."<br /><br />Does a person need to be Einstein to know that only massless particles can travel at c in a vacuum? OK, OK, forgetting about this, is it so hard to see how time dilation would just mean that you'd experience the trip instantaneously? (I'd close my eyes while I was at it, if I were you; all those blueshifted photons coming in your direction might give you a bit of a headache.)Mark Graybillhttp://awesomescience.us/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-29743603308722243272015-01-02T22:48:24.587+00:002015-01-02T22:48:24.587+00:00"Teaching unintelligent people the habits of ..."Teaching unintelligent people the habits of more intelligent people is the foundation stone of education. However, there are limits..." <br /><br />Amen! Truer words were never spoken! <br /><br />It will all be carried to extremes & will help no one. but it may generate some cool new buzz words! creativity requires intelligence, but the latter is no fun since it is accurately measured - creativity has a lot more of that good ol' "emotional intelligence" type subjectivity that the masses go gaga over. sadly, more educators believe in gardner's armchair multiple intelligences than know of g & actual legitimate (& consistent) intelligence research. Ideally, the intelligence test publishers would educate the masses (e.g., "intelligence is real & measurable - however, the search for/training of "creativity" is a subjective boondoggle & will merely help line the pockets of charlatans") but then educating the masses is only possible for very, very simple ideas. it's impossible otherwise. here in the states we believe that biology & the normal curve don't exist as soon as a child walks into a school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-86848961455378018162015-01-02T17:49:39.471+00:002015-01-02T17:49:39.471+00:00Don't we know that as "education"?
...Don't we know that as "education"?<br /><br />I dread the impact of creativity-training schemes, implemented on a large scale. I think it's easier to recognize creative people than to try to "teach" creativity. It seems to me the best one could do would be to encourage students to resist the training that there is One Right Answer to every question.<br /><br />In the education field in the US, education schools are reportedly busily trying to teach "creativity," by dint of requiring future teachers to produce posters and handicrafts. These efforts do not seem transferrable to creativity in math or indeed, any other field other than classroom bulletin boards. So I would posit large creativity training schemes should be considered wasteful.East Coastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-79649146553100654012015-01-02T17:44:06.761+00:002015-01-02T17:44:06.761+00:00Teaching unintelligent people the habits of more i...Teaching unintelligent people the habits of more intelligent people is the foundation stone of education. However, there are limits, profound limits. Taking in the message is an intelligence test, and when the subject matter gets too difficult then training times to adequate performance level take longer and longer.One exception is heuristics: validated rules of thumb which "make people smart" as Gigerenzer says. Of course, he means, "act apparently smarter" rather than actually be smarter. As a personal example, Richard Feynman explains how he was able to give almost immediate answers to highly complex mathematical puzzles by using shortcuts he had invented (and later found that others had previously invented). However, I would have needed an entire maths course to understand the short cuts.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09320614837348759094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-29226134392089855262015-01-02T15:16:07.550+00:002015-01-02T15:16:07.550+00:00I do not have links to his talk yet, but in essenc...I do not have links to his talk yet, but in essence Vartanian finds that training on working memory tasks brings some gains to similar memory tasks, but not usually to g loaded tasks.<br /><br /><a href="http://matric-results.blogspot.com/2014/12/bise-rawalpindi-board-9th-class-date.html" rel="nofollow">9th Class Date Sheet 2015 BISE Rawalpindi Board</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14442219907423151071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4624586630299165335.post-64830774979853926862015-01-02T14:45:19.723+00:002015-01-02T14:45:19.723+00:00"Brain training": cast that idea aside. ..."Brain training": cast that idea aside. But would it be possible to teach rather unintelligent people the habits of more intelligent people? Indeed, are there such habits? Could they be taught? Would it be useful?<br /><br />This is such an obvious idea that there must surely be a literature on it?deariemenoreply@blogger.com